Comments on: The problem with that equity vs. equality graphic you’re using

By: Unfiltered

Mon, 21 Nov 2016 05:01:55 +0000

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By: Venus R Gist

Wed, 16 Nov 2016 06:12:49 +0000

You know what would bring clarity and resolution to this conversation?
How about inviting the people you are talking about into the conversation.
People of higher socio-economic status or people of noncolor are always speaking
for those who encounter the iniquities of the world’s system. Ask them, they are capable
of giving a perspective on the equity vs. equality graphics. Something to ponder…..
(The link below: Francheska will “break it down” about being a good ally). Enjoy! 🙂 God bless!
https://youtu.be/_dg86g-QlM0 ]]>

By: Patti Del Grosso

Tue, 08 Nov 2016 19:52:42 +0000

In reply to brant.

WOW a completely different perspective. Lots of valid points being made. It is good to see all sides to the opinions. I agree sometimes you are dont realize what you are encouraging… this could be an example of exactly that

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By: brant

Tue, 08 Nov 2016 19:38:58 +0000

The problem with your “justice” and “liberation” graphics is that they completely ignore the fact that the people inside the ballpark worked for their mean to afford tickets and be able to pay the players to provide them their entertainment at the game.

People standing on boxes to see over a fence is a dubious approach to viewing a game for which they had not paid admission. Tearing down the fence is vandalism and destruction of someone else’s property. Removing the fence altogether fundamentally changes the game being played inside the ballpark and demonstrates that once again, the cause is all about the people outside the fence and their whims, desires, and feelings of being left out, and no consideration for those who built the fence necessary for the playing of the game, or protecting the investment they made in the ballfields, the club, the players, etc.

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By: How do you visualize a world you haven’t yet seen? | Cultural Organizing

Mon, 07 Nov 2016 16:44:31 +0000

[…] one of my attempts. I hope it offers some useful insights; I certainly learned a lot. And since I recently critiqued another person’s visualization, it’s only fair that I share some of the critiques I’ve received — all of which, […] ]]>

By: DoJoVo

Sat, 05 Nov 2016 13:46:58 +0000

That two of the primary examples illustrate mere entertainment or competition is telling.
For the “put your idea here” I would insert “interdependence” and have the individuals working together. In all of the existing images there is no interaction among the individuals. This unexamined individualism is the basis for misplaced thinking on “equality” to begin with, so if you want to challenge that, challenge the ideology of individualism. ]]>

By: Aka

Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:43:19 +0000

In reply to Aka.

Oops, meant this link (though the earlier link is useful to help debunk it w/some NY data): http://bit.ly/1hG265C

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By: Aka

Wed, 02 Nov 2016 23:35:56 +0000

Really appreciate this piece and the related commentary. As this is a group interested in these matters, wanted to add a minor point on the 3rd version (housing) by Matt Kinshella. His city in disrepair is shown through ‘broken windows’. Critical criminologists have worked to discredit the broken windows theory – in short, the focus on minor crimes actually brings more unwanted police attention to historically targeted populations. Here is a link to a popular piece to give a bit more background: http://bit.ly/2f2nAZB ]]>

By: Craig Froehle

Wed, 02 Nov 2016 20:04:49 +0000

In reply to Ike.

Hi, Ike. You raise an important point. What I was trying to represent by the baseball game isn’t just that — the game is symbolic of any opportunity that individuals may want to pursue, from education to healthcare to employment to housing to, yes, even entertainment. See the game in the background merely as “something individuals want access to” rather than anything specific. And yes, the debate over how much should the government do will be ongoing — there’s no solving that one. But if you take the boxes not merely as government support, but as representing the totality of society’s support for an individual (including family, private, industry, institutional, community, and governmental supports), then I hope the graphic is a little more generalizable. Thanks for raising these issues.

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By: Ike

Wed, 02 Nov 2016 19:06:36 +0000

I believe the problem lies in where to draw the line. The graphic makes its point very clear but its in reference to a baseball game. What about necessities? consider this. individual A has a high paying salary and affords their family plenty of food. individual B does not and their family lives largely on government aid. So should the government provider all the same food to individual B that A affords? of course not right? but then where is the line drawn. Who is deciding what is enough? the world is a lot bigger than 3 people wide and will take a lot more than crates to fix this mess ]]>